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		<title>By: ScottinLA</title>
		<link>http://blog.thehumanist.com/?p=1599&#038;cpage=1#comment-5200</link>
		<dc:creator>ScottinLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BFBF:

Please don&#039;t use all caps. That means you&#039;re screaming and no one wants to listen to screaming. 

Typical so-called Christian...</description>
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<p>Please don&#8217;t use all caps. That means you&#8217;re screaming and no one wants to listen to screaming. </p>
<p>Typical so-called Christian&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: voice of reason</title>
		<link>http://blog.thehumanist.com/?p=1599&#038;cpage=1#comment-5149</link>
		<dc:creator>voice of reason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 02:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>woah woah woah everyone.  this has become a HUGE debate out of one act of twisting the truth for better effect.  the fact that it was a christian PR group that made the mistake doesn&#039;t mean that christianity itself is bad or wrong.  it means that religion is made of up people who make mistakes... we can&#039;t blame the religion itself for the mistakes of people who are inherently imperfect.  we are all imperfect because we are human.  it is bad to pass off a quote as truth when it is really more like a paraphrase or something else... but lets place the blame where it should be - with the corrupted PEOPLE not with the religion itself.  when people use religion for their own motives and twist the truth to propagate their personal agendas... it is the individual people who are to be blamed for that.  the religion is more like a victim of abuse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>woah woah woah everyone.  this has become a HUGE debate out of one act of twisting the truth for better effect.  the fact that it was a christian PR group that made the mistake doesn&#8217;t mean that christianity itself is bad or wrong.  it means that religion is made of up people who make mistakes&#8230; we can&#8217;t blame the religion itself for the mistakes of people who are inherently imperfect.  we are all imperfect because we are human.  it is bad to pass off a quote as truth when it is really more like a paraphrase or something else&#8230; but lets place the blame where it should be &#8211; with the corrupted PEOPLE not with the religion itself.  when people use religion for their own motives and twist the truth to propagate their personal agendas&#8230; it is the individual people who are to be blamed for that.  the religion is more like a victim of abuse.</p>
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		<title>By: Abruzzo</title>
		<link>http://blog.thehumanist.com/?p=1599&#038;cpage=1#comment-5118</link>
		<dc:creator>Abruzzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 00:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;1. PEOPLE THAT WERE </description>
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		<title>By: ditto</title>
		<link>http://blog.thehumanist.com/?p=1599&#038;cpage=1#comment-5117</link>
		<dc:creator>ditto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 23:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I proved without a doubt that SLAVERY NOW and 2000 years ago VIA PAUL</description>
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		<title>By: BFBF</title>
		<link>http://blog.thehumanist.com/?p=1599&#038;cpage=1#comment-5113</link>
		<dc:creator>BFBF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IF IT IS NOT AT ALL CLEAR TO YOU (ALL) AS TO WHAT PAUL STATED, LET ME BREAK IT DOWN

1. PEOPLE THAT WERE &quot;ALREADY&quot; SLAVES THAT ACCEPTED JESUS CHRIST WERE NOT TO MURDER THEIR SLAVEMASTERS, MURDERING THEM WOULD BE CONTRARY TO SOUND DOCTRINE. PAUL SAID THAT IF YOU WERE CALLED BEING </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IF IT IS NOT AT ALL CLEAR TO YOU (ALL) AS TO WHAT PAUL STATED, LET ME BREAK IT DOWN</p>
<p>1. PEOPLE THAT WERE &#8220;ALREADY&#8221; SLAVES THAT ACCEPTED JESUS CHRIST WERE NOT TO MURDER THEIR SLAVEMASTERS, MURDERING THEM WOULD BE CONTRARY TO SOUND DOCTRINE. PAUL SAID THAT IF YOU WERE CALLED BEING</p>
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		<title>By: BFBF</title>
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		<dc:creator>BFBF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(So by your own words you admit god ,at one time, condoned slavery!)

Yes. 

BUT, I proved without a doubt that SLAVERY NOW and 2000 years ago VIA PAUL&#039;S statement was contrary to SOUND CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE, and with that being said you should not pull black salvery out of your butt whenever you want to compare black america with homosexual issues in society.  

(That Jesus Christ never commanded slaveholders to free their slaves is interesting don</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(So by your own words you admit god ,at one time, condoned slavery!)</p>
<p>Yes. </p>
<p>BUT, I proved without a doubt that SLAVERY NOW and 2000 years ago VIA PAUL&#8217;S statement was contrary to SOUND CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE, and with that being said you should not pull black salvery out of your butt whenever you want to compare black america with homosexual issues in society.  </p>
<p>(That Jesus Christ never commanded slaveholders to free their slaves is interesting don</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://blog.thehumanist.com/?p=1599&#038;cpage=1#comment-5096</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m pretty sure that it is legal; because they aren&#039;t advertising a product.  It should be illegal to flat-out lie.  The FCC does have laws against lying on News programs; but if you&#039;ve ever watched FOX, you know that it&#039;s not enforced.

What we certainly could do is file a law suit, and hope to at least get publicity before the case is thrown out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure that it is legal; because they aren&#8217;t advertising a product.  It should be illegal to flat-out lie.  The FCC does have laws against lying on News programs; but if you&#8217;ve ever watched FOX, you know that it&#8217;s not enforced.</p>
<p>What we certainly could do is file a law suit, and hope to at least get publicity before the case is thrown out.</p>
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		<title>By: Abruzzo</title>
		<link>http://blog.thehumanist.com/?p=1599&#038;cpage=1#comment-5072</link>
		<dc:creator>Abruzzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 13:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to say that the scenario described really doesn&#039;t make sense.  I mean Paul, in his epistle to the Colossians says:

Colossians 3:22-25

22 Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything. Don&#039;t do it just to please them when they are watching you. Obey them with an honest heart. Do it out of respect for the Lord. 

 23 Work at everything you do with all your heart. Work as if you were working for the Lord, not for human masters. 24 Work because you know that you will finally receive as a reward what the Lord wants you to have. You are serving the Lord Christ. 

 25 Anyone who does wrong will be paid back for what he does. God treats everyone the same. 


So Paul tells the slaves to stay with their masters.  This is the same man you quote talking about &quot;Sound Doctrine&quot;.  It is thus logical to assume that to live by &quot;Sound Doctrine&quot; slaves should willingly stay in bondage.  They should not try to escape from slavery otherwise they will be punished by God and, according to Jesus, appropriately whipped by their masters.

As far as the quote from Timothy, that is a similar hypocrasy to that of the Founding Fathers who forbade slave trade into the fledgling US but failed to end the institution of slavery.  I mean its wrong to kidnap people and force them into bondage but once its done... well it&#039;s ok to continue it with the ancestors of thise who were already kidnapped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to say that the scenario described really doesn&#8217;t make sense.  I mean Paul, in his epistle to the Colossians says:</p>
<p>Colossians 3:22-25</p>
<p>22 Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything. Don&#8217;t do it just to please them when they are watching you. Obey them with an honest heart. Do it out of respect for the Lord. </p>
<p> 23 Work at everything you do with all your heart. Work as if you were working for the Lord, not for human masters. 24 Work because you know that you will finally receive as a reward what the Lord wants you to have. You are serving the Lord Christ. </p>
<p> 25 Anyone who does wrong will be paid back for what he does. God treats everyone the same. </p>
<p>So Paul tells the slaves to stay with their masters.  This is the same man you quote talking about &#8220;Sound Doctrine&#8221;.  It is thus logical to assume that to live by &#8220;Sound Doctrine&#8221; slaves should willingly stay in bondage.  They should not try to escape from slavery otherwise they will be punished by God and, according to Jesus, appropriately whipped by their masters.</p>
<p>As far as the quote from Timothy, that is a similar hypocrasy to that of the Founding Fathers who forbade slave trade into the fledgling US but failed to end the institution of slavery.  I mean its wrong to kidnap people and force them into bondage but once its done&#8230; well it&#8217;s ok to continue it with the ancestors of thise who were already kidnapped.</p>
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		<title>By: William Bogie</title>
		<link>http://blog.thehumanist.com/?p=1599&#038;cpage=1#comment-5059</link>
		<dc:creator>William Bogie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 04:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;THE NEWTESTAMENT CHRISTIAN DOES NOT CONDONE OR REDUCE MEN TO SLAVERY. THE OLD TESTAMENT FOLK CLEARLY DOES AS IT IS EVIDENT IN ISRAEL TODAY.&quot;

So by your own words you admit god ,at one time, condoned slavery!

&quot;THE INCLUSIVE CROWD SEEKS TO PLEASE MEN AND THEMSELVE WHICH IS WHY SLAVERY EXISTED AND WHY HOMOSEXUALITY IS BEING TO AS ACCEPTABLE TO GOD.&quot;

Lest you forget:

Leviticus 25:44-46
44 </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;THE NEWTESTAMENT CHRISTIAN DOES NOT CONDONE OR REDUCE MEN TO SLAVERY. THE OLD TESTAMENT FOLK CLEARLY DOES AS IT IS EVIDENT IN ISRAEL TODAY.&#8221;</p>
<p>So by your own words you admit god ,at one time, condoned slavery!</p>
<p>&#8220;THE INCLUSIVE CROWD SEEKS TO PLEASE MEN AND THEMSELVE WHICH IS WHY SLAVERY EXISTED AND WHY HOMOSEXUALITY IS BEING TO AS ACCEPTABLE TO GOD.&#8221;</p>
<p>Lest you forget:</p>
<p>Leviticus 25:44-46<br />
44</p>
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		<title>By: William Bogie</title>
		<link>http://blog.thehumanist.com/?p=1599&#038;cpage=1#comment-5058</link>
		<dc:creator>William Bogie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 03:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Doulos&quot;, The original Greek, means slave!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Doulos&#8221;, The original Greek, means slave!!!</p>
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		<title>By: BFBF</title>
		<link>http://blog.thehumanist.com/?p=1599&#038;cpage=1#comment-5053</link>
		<dc:creator>BFBF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>English translaation! Get real Will!</description>
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		<title>By: BFBF</title>
		<link>http://blog.thehumanist.com/?p=1599&#038;cpage=1#comment-5052</link>
		<dc:creator>BFBF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Francis you&#039;re wrong, and William you&#039;re always wrong. Please read what it states about SOUND DOCTRINE, Titus 1 and Galatians 1 points to you, Will and Donald Eric Kesler. Christians are not here to please you or to persuade you, let that sink in.

1 Corinthians 7
7:20   Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.
7:21  Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather.
7:22   For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord&#039;s freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ&#039;s servant.
7:23  Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.
7:24   Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God. 


1 Timothy 1
1:10  For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 

Strong&#039;s Greek Definition for # 733 
DEFILE WITH MANKIND
733   //  arsenokoithv  //  arsenokoites   //  ar-sen-ok-oy&#039;-tace  // 
from   730  and   2845  ; n m
AV - abuser of (one&#039;s) self with mankind 1,
defile (one&#039;s) self with mankind 1; 2

1) one who lies with a male as with a female, sodomite, homosexual 


Strong&#039;s Greek Definition for # 405
MAN STEALER
405   //  andrapodisthv  //  andrapodistes   //  an-drap-od-is-tace&#039;  // 
from a derivative of a compound of   435  and   4228  ; n m
AV - manstealer 1; 1

1) a slave-dealer, kidnapper, man-stealer
1a) of one who unjustly reduces free men to slavery
1b) of one who steals the slaves of others and sells them 


Strong&#039;s Greek Definition for # 5198
SOUND
5198   //  ugiainw  //  hugiaino   //  hoog-ee-ah&#039;-ee-no  //  
from   5199  ; TDNT - 8:308,1202; v 

AV - sound 6, be sound 1, be whole 1, whole 1, wholesome 1, 
be in health 1, safe and sound 1; 12 

1) to be sound, to be well, to be in good health 
2) metaph. 
2a) of Christians whose opinions are free from any mixture of error 
2b) of one who keeps the graces and is strong


Strong&#039;s Greek Definition for # 1319 
DOCTRINE

1319   //  didaskalia  //  didaskalia   //  did-as-kal-ee&#039;-ah  //  
from   1320  ; TDNT - 2:160,161; n f 
AV - doctrine 19, teaching 1, learning 1; 21 

1) teaching, instruction 
2) teaching 
2a) that which is taught, doctrine 
2b) teachings, precepts

IF IT IS NOT AT ALL CLEAR TO YOU (ALL) AS TO WHAT PAUL STATED, LET ME BREAK IT DOWN

1.	HOMOSEXUALITY/LESBIANISM &amp; SLAVERY ARE CONTRARY TO SOUND CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE, AND YOU CAN</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Francis you&#8217;re wrong, and William you&#8217;re always wrong. Please read what it states about SOUND DOCTRINE, Titus 1 and Galatians 1 points to you, Will and Donald Eric Kesler. Christians are not here to please you or to persuade you, let that sink in.</p>
<p>1 Corinthians 7<br />
7:20   Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.<br />
7:21  Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather.<br />
7:22   For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord&#8217;s freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ&#8217;s servant.<br />
7:23  Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.<br />
7:24   Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God. </p>
<p>1 Timothy 1<br />
1:10  For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; </p>
<p>Strong&#8217;s Greek Definition for # 733<br />
DEFILE WITH MANKIND<br />
733   //  arsenokoithv  //  arsenokoites   //  ar-sen-ok-oy&#8217;-tace  //<br />
from   730  and   2845  ; n m<br />
AV &#8211; abuser of (one&#8217;s) self with mankind 1,<br />
defile (one&#8217;s) self with mankind 1; 2</p>
<p>1) one who lies with a male as with a female, sodomite, homosexual </p>
<p>Strong&#8217;s Greek Definition for # 405<br />
MAN STEALER<br />
405   //  andrapodisthv  //  andrapodistes   //  an-drap-od-is-tace&#8217;  //<br />
from a derivative of a compound of   435  and   4228  ; n m<br />
AV &#8211; manstealer 1; 1</p>
<p>1) a slave-dealer, kidnapper, man-stealer<br />
1a) of one who unjustly reduces free men to slavery<br />
1b) of one who steals the slaves of others and sells them </p>
<p>Strong&#8217;s Greek Definition for # 5198<br />
SOUND<br />
5198   //  ugiainw  //  hugiaino   //  hoog-ee-ah&#8217;-ee-no  //<br />
from   5199  ; TDNT &#8211; 8:308,1202; v </p>
<p>AV &#8211; sound 6, be sound 1, be whole 1, whole 1, wholesome 1,<br />
be in health 1, safe and sound 1; 12 </p>
<p>1) to be sound, to be well, to be in good health<br />
2) metaph.<br />
2a) of Christians whose opinions are free from any mixture of error<br />
2b) of one who keeps the graces and is strong</p>
<p>Strong&#8217;s Greek Definition for # 1319<br />
DOCTRINE</p>
<p>1319   //  didaskalia  //  didaskalia   //  did-as-kal-ee&#8217;-ah  //<br />
from   1320  ; TDNT &#8211; 2:160,161; n f<br />
AV &#8211; doctrine 19, teaching 1, learning 1; 21 </p>
<p>1) teaching, instruction<br />
2) teaching<br />
2a) that which is taught, doctrine<br />
2b) teachings, precepts</p>
<p>IF IT IS NOT AT ALL CLEAR TO YOU (ALL) AS TO WHAT PAUL STATED, LET ME BREAK IT DOWN</p>
<p>1.	HOMOSEXUALITY/LESBIANISM &amp; SLAVERY ARE CONTRARY TO SOUND CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE, AND YOU CAN</p>
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		<title>By: William Bogie</title>
		<link>http://blog.thehumanist.com/?p=1599&#038;cpage=1#comment-5038</link>
		<dc:creator>William Bogie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 23:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hello</description>
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		<title>By: William Bogie</title>
		<link>http://blog.thehumanist.com/?p=1599&#038;cpage=1#comment-5037</link>
		<dc:creator>William Bogie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 22:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are wrong on this account.  Look what I found when I searched online for definitions of bondservant.

bond</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are wrong on this account.  Look what I found when I searched online for definitions of bondservant.</p>
<p>bond</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 18:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t they be sued, if tide was making claims that were lies they could be sued for false advertising. If they lied about what I said they could be sued for liable.Why is there not a law suit in the offering. AMP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t they be sued, if tide was making claims that were lies they could be sued for false advertising. If they lied about what I said they could be sued for liable.Why is there not a law suit in the offering. AMP</p>
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