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		<title>By: Abruzzo</title>
		<link>http://blog.thehumanist.com/?p=1624&#038;cpage=1#comment-5228</link>
		<dc:creator>Abruzzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 13:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll say more but I had to address this bit of illogic form Francis... 

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		<title>By: Francis</title>
		<link>http://blog.thehumanist.com/?p=1624&#038;cpage=1#comment-5217</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment by Abruzzo 2009-08-19
Well let us look at what Humanist manifesto II actually says on the subject of god</description>
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Well let us look at what Humanist manifesto II actually says on the subject of god</p>
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		<title>By: Francis</title>
		<link>http://blog.thehumanist.com/?p=1624&#038;cpage=1#comment-5166</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Earthling apparently assumes that the Bible is the repository of Christian doctrine. It is not. The custodian of Christianity&#039;s teachings is the apostolic church - which is the body of all properly baptized persons. Jesus did NOT say &quot;Thou art Peter and on this rock I will write my book.&quot; 

The majority of the world&#039;s Christians are in the Catholic faiths: Roman, Orthodox and Anglican. It is a fallacy of the Protestant minority to bleat &quot;Sola scriptura!&quot; which is neither traditional nor biblical. 

Within this Protestant minority, American fundamentalism is the lunatic fringe. They are dangerous because they have votes and guns. A rabid dog is dangerous because it is rabid, not because it is a dog. Fundies, as Christians, are foaming at the mouth and it is NOT &quot;God&quot; or &quot;the&quot; Bible that makes them crazy. Fanaticism of ANY kind is dangerous to society. 

Well-meaning but unwise freethinkers play right into the hands of their enemies by entering into dialogue with the fundie wackos on THEIR terms. 

An example is the foolish billboard reference to &quot;God&quot; in the singular, thereby insulting countless millions of polytheists. Exactly WHICH &quot;God&quot; don&#039;t we &quot;believe in&quot; anyway? Kierkegaard&#039;s? Tillichs? Barth&#039;s? The Pope&#039;s? Spinoza&#039;s? Montaigne&#039;s? Kant&#039;s? Mother Teresa&#039;s? It is really dumb to argue &quot;belief&quot; with the crazies about undefined entities. 

What matters is their ACTIONS. Those are real, observable and measurable. Fundies&#039; ACTIONS can be discussed, but they prefer to sucker you into talking about their &quot;God&quot; where THEY have the advantage of &quot;playing on the home ground.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Earthling apparently assumes that the Bible is the repository of Christian doctrine. It is not. The custodian of Christianity&#8217;s teachings is the apostolic church &#8211; which is the body of all properly baptized persons. Jesus did NOT say &#8220;Thou art Peter and on this rock I will write my book.&#8221; </p>
<p>The majority of the world&#8217;s Christians are in the Catholic faiths: Roman, Orthodox and Anglican. It is a fallacy of the Protestant minority to bleat &#8220;Sola scriptura!&#8221; which is neither traditional nor biblical. </p>
<p>Within this Protestant minority, American fundamentalism is the lunatic fringe. They are dangerous because they have votes and guns. A rabid dog is dangerous because it is rabid, not because it is a dog. Fundies, as Christians, are foaming at the mouth and it is NOT &#8220;God&#8221; or &#8220;the&#8221; Bible that makes them crazy. Fanaticism of ANY kind is dangerous to society. </p>
<p>Well-meaning but unwise freethinkers play right into the hands of their enemies by entering into dialogue with the fundie wackos on THEIR terms. </p>
<p>An example is the foolish billboard reference to &#8220;God&#8221; in the singular, thereby insulting countless millions of polytheists. Exactly WHICH &#8220;God&#8221; don&#8217;t we &#8220;believe in&#8221; anyway? Kierkegaard&#8217;s? Tillichs? Barth&#8217;s? The Pope&#8217;s? Spinoza&#8217;s? Montaigne&#8217;s? Kant&#8217;s? Mother Teresa&#8217;s? It is really dumb to argue &#8220;belief&#8221; with the crazies about undefined entities. </p>
<p>What matters is their ACTIONS. Those are real, observable and measurable. Fundies&#8217; ACTIONS can be discussed, but they prefer to sucker you into talking about their &#8220;God&#8221; where THEY have the advantage of &#8220;playing on the home ground.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Francis</title>
		<link>http://blog.thehumanist.com/?p=1624&#038;cpage=1#comment-5165</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Responding to:
&quot;You are very purposefully ignoring the sociological and political implications of theism. But ignoring them will not make them go away.&quot;

I am very much concerned about the sociopolitical and political implications of theism. The antonym of theism is not Humanism, it is atheism. Humanism is not about theism or atheism. Humanism is about what is human.

Political implications of anything are issues of politics. Humanism is about ethics.

As to:
&quot;If you want to grow humanism and reach out to all the doubters out there, telling them that even considering the question of their doubt in the existence of a god is childish is not going to bring more humanists to our side.&quot;

I do not have a &quot;side.&quot; I am not in a combat.

I do not feel driven to &quot;reach out to doubters&quot; because I am not a missionary. In fact, I am contemptuous of self-appointed missionaries regardless of the cause that motivates them.

If people choose to believe or doubt in imaginary stuff I really do not care - what matters to me is what they DO. Believing in &quot;Manifest Destiny&quot; was not morally wrong; murdering Indians was.

Mermaids, unicorns, leprechauns, gods and fairies really do not interest me much. 

There is a non-existent glorious world out there in cyberspace that has done more damage recently than faith in Christ&#039;s coming glorious Kingdom; it is the withering away of the state achieved by the entirely imaginary process of historical determinism. The Inquisition was formally abolished in 1820 but Mao&#039;s Glorious Cultural Revolution caused 29 million deaths in our time. Let&#039;s worry less about Jesus and more about Lenin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Responding to:<br />
&#8220;You are very purposefully ignoring the sociological and political implications of theism. But ignoring them will not make them go away.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am very much concerned about the sociopolitical and political implications of theism. The antonym of theism is not Humanism, it is atheism. Humanism is not about theism or atheism. Humanism is about what is human.</p>
<p>Political implications of anything are issues of politics. Humanism is about ethics.</p>
<p>As to:<br />
&#8220;If you want to grow humanism and reach out to all the doubters out there, telling them that even considering the question of their doubt in the existence of a god is childish is not going to bring more humanists to our side.&#8221;</p>
<p>I do not have a &#8220;side.&#8221; I am not in a combat.</p>
<p>I do not feel driven to &#8220;reach out to doubters&#8221; because I am not a missionary. In fact, I am contemptuous of self-appointed missionaries regardless of the cause that motivates them.</p>
<p>If people choose to believe or doubt in imaginary stuff I really do not care &#8211; what matters to me is what they DO. Believing in &#8220;Manifest Destiny&#8221; was not morally wrong; murdering Indians was.</p>
<p>Mermaids, unicorns, leprechauns, gods and fairies really do not interest me much. </p>
<p>There is a non-existent glorious world out there in cyberspace that has done more damage recently than faith in Christ&#8217;s coming glorious Kingdom; it is the withering away of the state achieved by the entirely imaginary process of historical determinism. The Inquisition was formally abolished in 1820 but Mao&#8217;s Glorious Cultural Revolution caused 29 million deaths in our time. Let&#8217;s worry less about Jesus and more about Lenin.</p>
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		<title>By: An Earthling from Mi.</title>
		<link>http://blog.thehumanist.com/?p=1624&#038;cpage=1#comment-5152</link>
		<dc:creator>An Earthling from Mi.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe the reason that slogans such as  </description>
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		<title>By: An Earthling from Mi.</title>
		<link>http://blog.thehumanist.com/?p=1624&#038;cpage=1#comment-5151</link>
		<dc:creator>An Earthling from Mi.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 06:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Humanism, a philosophical and literary movement in which man and his capabilities are the central concern.&quot;
That&#039;s why I&#039;m an atheist, Humanism leaves the door open for a belief system, which is human nature, such as &quot;I am Human, therefore I believe what humans believe is true,&quot; that leads to unicorns and trolls and fairies and gods and other myths. &quot;Atheism: lack of belief in God or active disbelief in God&quot; Now we are talkin about what is real and what is imagined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Humanism, a philosophical and literary movement in which man and his capabilities are the central concern.&#8221;<br />
That&#8217;s why I&#8217;m an atheist, Humanism leaves the door open for a belief system, which is human nature, such as &#8220;I am Human, therefore I believe what humans believe is true,&#8221; that leads to unicorns and trolls and fairies and gods and other myths. &#8220;Atheism: lack of belief in God or active disbelief in God&#8221; Now we are talkin about what is real and what is imagined.</p>
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		<title>By: Abruzzo</title>
		<link>http://blog.thehumanist.com/?p=1624&#038;cpage=1#comment-5146</link>
		<dc:creator>Abruzzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Clayton!</description>
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		<title>By: Abruzzo</title>
		<link>http://blog.thehumanist.com/?p=1624&#038;cpage=1#comment-5145</link>
		<dc:creator>Abruzzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Clayton</title>
		<link>http://blog.thehumanist.com/?p=1624&#038;cpage=1#comment-5134</link>
		<dc:creator>Clayton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It would make just as much sense to erect signs proclaiming </description>
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		<title>By: Francis</title>
		<link>http://blog.thehumanist.com/?p=1624&#038;cpage=1#comment-5133</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 01:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some feel that the existence or nonexistence of X is something worth being concerned about, so long as X is something called &quot;God.&quot; 

Are they equally exercised about belief and nonbelief in mermaids and leprechauns? Should we set out to recruit the amermaidists and the aleprechaunists?

Personally, I prefer to walk away from such children&#039;s squabbles and say &quot;I am a Humanist. My interest is in what is human - and that includes ethics, a human responsibility. I am not into metaphysics.&quot; 

According to Humanist Manifesto 2, Humanism is not a metaphysical stance but is an ethical process through which we can all move above and beyond the assertions and denials of past religions.

Billboards about gods diminish Humanism by presenting the appearance that we care about their &quot;gods.&quot; Do you? If you are not yet free from your childhood indoctrination you may think there is something worth denying. I don&#039;t.

It would make just as much sense to erect signs proclaiming &quot;Don&#039;t believe in mermaids? You are not alone.&quot;

And don&#039;t overlook the unicorns, fairies and Santa Claus. Let&#039;s not make one silly superstition appear more important to us than the others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some feel that the existence or nonexistence of X is something worth being concerned about, so long as X is something called &#8220;God.&#8221; </p>
<p>Are they equally exercised about belief and nonbelief in mermaids and leprechauns? Should we set out to recruit the amermaidists and the aleprechaunists?</p>
<p>Personally, I prefer to walk away from such children&#8217;s squabbles and say &#8220;I am a Humanist. My interest is in what is human &#8211; and that includes ethics, a human responsibility. I am not into metaphysics.&#8221; </p>
<p>According to Humanist Manifesto 2, Humanism is not a metaphysical stance but is an ethical process through which we can all move above and beyond the assertions and denials of past religions.</p>
<p>Billboards about gods diminish Humanism by presenting the appearance that we care about their &#8220;gods.&#8221; Do you? If you are not yet free from your childhood indoctrination you may think there is something worth denying. I don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>It would make just as much sense to erect signs proclaiming &#8220;Don&#8217;t believe in mermaids? You are not alone.&#8221;</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t overlook the unicorns, fairies and Santa Claus. Let&#8217;s not make one silly superstition appear more important to us than the others.</p>
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		<title>By: Abruzzo</title>
		<link>http://blog.thehumanist.com/?p=1624&#038;cpage=1#comment-5131</link>
		<dc:creator>Abruzzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 22:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In re-reading my post the first sentence of the second paragraph should have stated: Regardless of what laws and rules this man claims god has set it is clear that any belief that posits god as the arbiter of what is moral is not HUMAN centered and therefore incompatible with Humanism.

I apologize for the use of &quot;man&quot; that would seem to exclude females. I assure all of you it was inadvertant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In re-reading my post the first sentence of the second paragraph should have stated: Regardless of what laws and rules this man claims god has set it is clear that any belief that posits god as the arbiter of what is moral is not HUMAN centered and therefore incompatible with Humanism.</p>
<p>I apologize for the use of &#8220;man&#8221; that would seem to exclude females. I assure all of you it was inadvertant.</p>
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		<title>By: Abruzzo</title>
		<link>http://blog.thehumanist.com/?p=1624&#038;cpage=1#comment-5127</link>
		<dc:creator>Abruzzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 23:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I concur with you on this absolutely and I would like to add my own two cents. I am reminded of something I saw on television just last week.  A comedian who is a theist and a Christian was doing a sort of man-in-the-street interview with people discussing god.  His basic premise was this: Since god made you he has rights over you.  He can tell you how to behave and punish you if you do not live according to his wishes.

Regardless of what laws and rules this man claims god has set it is clear that any belief that posits god as the arbiter of what is moral is not man centered and therefore incompatible with Humanism.  While Francis may be unconcerned with what someone does in the privacy of their own home or in the church of his or her choice.  Generally I would say he was right, but of course were there a theist who thought allah was telling him to kill people as part of a jihad against the United States.  Or a theist who believed that god wanted him to shoot and kill and abortion doctor in a church. Or a theist who believed that god gave his people a parcel of land and this irrevocable covenant was the basis for his country invading and occupying a land 2,000 years after his people had been expelled.   I would say there was much to be concerned about with any of these scenarios.    He and I both share a concern about what a person does but what I think Francis conveniently ignores is that much of what someone does is directly related to the importance one places on god</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I concur with you on this absolutely and I would like to add my own two cents. I am reminded of something I saw on television just last week.  A comedian who is a theist and a Christian was doing a sort of man-in-the-street interview with people discussing god.  His basic premise was this: Since god made you he has rights over you.  He can tell you how to behave and punish you if you do not live according to his wishes.</p>
<p>Regardless of what laws and rules this man claims god has set it is clear that any belief that posits god as the arbiter of what is moral is not man centered and therefore incompatible with Humanism.  While Francis may be unconcerned with what someone does in the privacy of their own home or in the church of his or her choice.  Generally I would say he was right, but of course were there a theist who thought allah was telling him to kill people as part of a jihad against the United States.  Or a theist who believed that god wanted him to shoot and kill and abortion doctor in a church. Or a theist who believed that god gave his people a parcel of land and this irrevocable covenant was the basis for his country invading and occupying a land 2,000 years after his people had been expelled.   I would say there was much to be concerned about with any of these scenarios.    He and I both share a concern about what a person does but what I think Francis conveniently ignores is that much of what someone does is directly related to the importance one places on god</p>
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		<title>By: Lost Left Coaster</title>
		<link>http://blog.thehumanist.com/?p=1624&#038;cpage=1#comment-5124</link>
		<dc:creator>Lost Left Coaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The billboard as described is pointless and counterproductive. It conveys the message that Humanists are concerned with the existence or nonexistence of something called </description>
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		<title>By: Francis</title>
		<link>http://blog.thehumanist.com/?p=1624&#038;cpage=1#comment-5120</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 03:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The billboard as described is pointless and counterproductive. It conveys the message that Humanists are concerned with the existence or nonexistence of something called &quot;God.&quot; I am not.

Humanism is about humans. It is not a position about unicorns, leprechauns, fairies, gods or mermaids. It is about what is human - and that is undeniably real. Would you bother trying to each out to non-believers in unicorns? Really, who cares? Why bother offending stupid gullible people for no purpose?

I am very concerned about what people DO. But when they go home and close the door I really don&#039;t care if they light a candle and chant &quot;om,&quot; or recite the kol nidre, bow toward Mecca, or pray the Rosary, so long as they are not imposing their superstitions on others.

&quot;Do you believe in God?&quot; is not a real question. It is just a way to elicit a predetermined answer, like asking &quot;Do you believe in kindness to animals?&quot; That silly billboard is just baiting the rubes, like poking the monkey at the zoo with a stick.

Personally I am not a theist or an atheist because I do not choose to define myself by categories of unwarranted unprovable belief or disbelief in speculations about imaginary entities. A skeptic, I say a pox on them all. I do not choose to get down in the sandbox and throw sand at children squabbling over a non-issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The billboard as described is pointless and counterproductive. It conveys the message that Humanists are concerned with the existence or nonexistence of something called &#8220;God.&#8221; I am not.</p>
<p>Humanism is about humans. It is not a position about unicorns, leprechauns, fairies, gods or mermaids. It is about what is human &#8211; and that is undeniably real. Would you bother trying to each out to non-believers in unicorns? Really, who cares? Why bother offending stupid gullible people for no purpose?</p>
<p>I am very concerned about what people DO. But when they go home and close the door I really don&#8217;t care if they light a candle and chant &#8220;om,&#8221; or recite the kol nidre, bow toward Mecca, or pray the Rosary, so long as they are not imposing their superstitions on others.</p>
<p>&#8220;Do you believe in God?&#8221; is not a real question. It is just a way to elicit a predetermined answer, like asking &#8220;Do you believe in kindness to animals?&#8221; That silly billboard is just baiting the rubes, like poking the monkey at the zoo with a stick.</p>
<p>Personally I am not a theist or an atheist because I do not choose to define myself by categories of unwarranted unprovable belief or disbelief in speculations about imaginary entities. A skeptic, I say a pox on them all. I do not choose to get down in the sandbox and throw sand at children squabbling over a non-issue.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://blog.thehumanist.com/?p=1624&#038;cpage=1#comment-5099</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear sir, 

I am deeply offended by your claim that lobsters don&#039;t taste good and are unhealthy. I love to eat lobsters and the title of your post makes me question whether I, in fact, think lobsters are delicious.

Look, I&#039;m cool with YOU not liking lobster, but it&#039;s in the constitution of the United States of America that you must love to eat lobster. And now you&#039;re making me think I don&#039;t love to eat lobster! Well, sir, you are infringing on my constitutional right.

Maybe if you think about how, with some butter sauce, lobsters actually taste quite good. Think about it. You&#039;re at a nice restaurant and the lobster arrives, cooked to perfection, and there&#039;s that sauce ready to be dripped all over that meat-y tail... mmm... I bet your mouth is watering just thinking about it... Oh, but wait, I thought you don&#039;t like lobster! I&#039;m just going to have to take that lobster away from you. No lobster for you Mr. Writey-pants.

In conclusion, stop your anti-lobster scare tactics. I&#039;m not gonna get salmonella (if the lobster is cooked correctly) and I&#039;m not going to lose my job just by eating lobster, as you claim in your title. Lobster tastes delicious.</description>
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<p>I am deeply offended by your claim that lobsters don&#8217;t taste good and are unhealthy. I love to eat lobsters and the title of your post makes me question whether I, in fact, think lobsters are delicious.</p>
<p>Look, I&#8217;m cool with YOU not liking lobster, but it&#8217;s in the constitution of the United States of America that you must love to eat lobster. And now you&#8217;re making me think I don&#8217;t love to eat lobster! Well, sir, you are infringing on my constitutional right.</p>
<p>Maybe if you think about how, with some butter sauce, lobsters actually taste quite good. Think about it. You&#8217;re at a nice restaurant and the lobster arrives, cooked to perfection, and there&#8217;s that sauce ready to be dripped all over that meat-y tail&#8230; mmm&#8230; I bet your mouth is watering just thinking about it&#8230; Oh, but wait, I thought you don&#8217;t like lobster! I&#8217;m just going to have to take that lobster away from you. No lobster for you Mr. Writey-pants.</p>
<p>In conclusion, stop your anti-lobster scare tactics. I&#8217;m not gonna get salmonella (if the lobster is cooked correctly) and I&#8217;m not going to lose my job just by eating lobster, as you claim in your title. Lobster tastes delicious.</p>
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